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Proposed Domain Names
Poll ended at Fri Feb 08, 2008 9:00 pm
forum.linkstationwiki.net & downloads.linkstationwiki.net 20%  20%  [ 29 ]
forum.buffalo.nas-central.org & downloads.buffalo.nas-central.org 72%  72%  [ 105 ]
something else 1%  1%  [ 2 ]
indifferent 6%  6%  [ 9 ]
Total votes: 145
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 6:53 pm 
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EDIT2: result of first poll
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i tried to summarize everything so far here: viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5056&p=47056#p47056

the second poll deals with the question where we want to move the forum + downloadsection....both are totally buffalo centric and therefore in the wrong place. it deals with the general question where users want to see the forum + downloadsection.

-- mindbender

EDIT: Polls Changed to reflect the popular choices

Hello Everyone,

It's been quite a while since I've been around. Just to let everyone know, I did not disappear; I just had some personal matters to attend to. As you know, mindbender has heard your voices, and I did read your PMs and emails, and the staff here believes we need to take steps to bring back our identity.

Here's a little background on why we moved to nas-central.org in the first place. For almost a year, linkstationwiki.net and kurobox.com were in talks about merging together. Clearly, since the boxes are very similar in nature, it simply made sense. Later, we decided that it would be nice to incorporate terastation.org into our community, so that we would have a complete buffalo centric hacking organization.

Unfortunately, we ran into some logistic problems when trying to figure out how to accomplish this. We had planned to merge during the server upgrade phase, and we needed a domain name fast. Waite, from kurobox.com, expressed the notion that he did not want "buffalo" in our new domain name, since the kuroboxs are from Revogear, not directly from Buffalo. We decided on nas-central.org which would encompass all our beloved boxes, but however ended up being too generic (causing a huge misconception of nas-central.org's purpose, and resulting in a slightly confusing superwiki).

We want to take proper steps to resolve this issue, and we now have a plan. Admittedly, the solution being presented is not a perfect one, but we believe it to be a better one than the nas-central.org solution. Since we do not want to keep changing domains, we are asking the community for input, so we can make this transition a final and lasting one.

The plan is as follows:

1) We'll keep nas-central.org as a general landing page/wiki for many manufacturers. However, nas-central.org will no longer represent our specific buffalo centric community.

2) The new domain name will be ltk-united.org (ltk = Linkstation + Tera + Kurobox).

3) We'll use the following domains for search engine optimization purposes.
    * linkstation-terastation-kurobox-united.org
    * linkstationwiki.net (used to point to our specific wiki landing page)
    * kurobox.com (might be changed, and used for kuro page)
    * terastation.org (if possible....used for terastation landing page).

The four SEO domains will behave similarly to how linkstationwiki.net does currently.

The plan to move from nas-central is definite, however the domain names are not completely set in stone. Please vote whether or not you like this plan. Please reply to this thread only if you have suggestions for using a different domain name. Keep in mind, the new main domain name::

    * Must encompass all three buffalo devices: linkstations, kuroboxes, and terastations
    * Cannot use the word "buffalo" to be fair to the kurobox community.
    * Cannot be generic, encompassing every NAS and Embedded device known.

Thanks for you input. We will stop all site development (i.e. wiki changes) until we firmly decide the best way to preserve our identity and implement the plan. The polls will remain open until Sunday, January 27th, 2008, when mindbender returns. Thanks.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 7:58 pm 
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Why don't you use nas-central.org as the portal to specific subdomains?
just buffalo.nas-central.org and so on? the kurobox.com, linkstationwiki.net etc may redirect there...

in my opinion ltk-united sounds not only confusing but also is in no way remarkable and connectable to these devices!
no one will think of NASs when reading "ltk"... the other SEO-domains won't help there...

just IMHO...


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 8:09 pm 
I sort of agree with krassonkel.
I see the need to move away from nas-central.org, but I don't like ltk-united.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 8:09 pm 
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Personally, I don't see why everything HAS to be linkstation/kuro specific. There are tons of other hackable NAS boxes out there, I would try to capture that mindshare as well.

But, then again, I'm not as concerned about brand as other people, so what do I know.

Edit: I just want to add that the leadership here is apparently not listening to the community. If you look a the comments in the other thread, most people want to see hardware diversity. Yes, the current leadership doesn't necessarily thing that's so great, but, in the end, a site like this lives and dies by it's ability to attract new blood. Keeping everything static just means that when the current leadership leaves, no one will care to take over and the site will die. You all have a great name with NAS-central, you really should take advantage of it. This is an opportunity, not a threat to your identity. A threat to your identity is not taking advantage of it.

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Last edited by ckm on Fri Jan 25, 2008 8:19 pm, edited 1 time in total.

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I second krassonkel's idea of subdomains. I think ltk-united is way too cryptic.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 8:20 pm 
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Another idea would be to use something with Melco in it however I am not sure that most people even know Melco is the parent company for the LS/Kuro (Buffalo/Revogear/Kurouto). The name is complex and cryptic, however one advantage of it at least is search engine preservation. TBH I'm not a fan of any of these names, but I don't see any better way to bring Linkstation and Kurobox names together.

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+1 for subdomains off nas-central.org.


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krassonkel wrote:
Why don't you use nas-central.org as the portal to specific subdomains?
just buffalo.nas-central.org and so on? the kurobox.com, linkstationwiki.net etc may redirect there...


There were a few issues with doing so. The first issue is that we do not support all buffalo devices (which is our developers right not to), and thus buffalo.nas-central.org would be misleading. Another issue is that we need to be fair to the kurobox end of our community, and they have expressed they wish not to be identified as "buffalo". Finally, it has been brought to our attention, that using a nas-central subdomain submerges our identity, and makes our community appear to be a sub community of a giant superwiki. We want it clear that the buffalo/melco community is separate.

jonli447 wrote:
in my opinion ltk-united sounds not only confusing but also is in no way remarkable and connectable to these devices!
no one will think of NASs when reading "ltk"... the other SEO-domains won't help there...

I agree that the domain name is great. As mentioned above, we are having quite the difficulty with choosing a proper name that meets the above three criteria. That's essentially what I meant when I stated that the proposed plan is not perfect. As for the name sounding confusing, nas-central sounded confusing (from a linkstationwiki.net standpoint) when we first created it, but sure, ltk-united itself does not describe anything directly relevant.

As for the SEO domains not helping, I'd have to disagree. When properly structured in Apache, alternative domains can be a great help. It's common SEO practice to use multiple domains to help increase search engine friendliness. We do have a SEO specialist that can help assist us in making sure this is done properly. :)

Thanks for your input. Anyone that has ideas for another domain other than ltk-united.org, please post it here.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 8:32 pm 
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ckm wrote:
Edit: I just want to add that the leadership here is apparently not listening to the community. If you look a the comments in the other thread, most people want to see hardware diversity. Yes, the current leadership doesn't necessarily thing that's so great, but, in the end, a site like this lives and dies by it's ability to attract new blood. Keeping everything static just means that when the current leadership leaves, no one will care to take over and the site will die. You all have a great name with NAS-central, you really should take advantage of it. This is an opportunity, not a threat to your identity. A threat to your identity is not taking advantage of it.

Not that I'm offended, but I don't think it's fair to say that the leadership is not listening. We have to listen to both sides. New people that have only known nas-central.org seem to think it's great. Long standing members tend to think "go for it if we have to, but don't forget our roots". To help compromise, we decided to keep nas-central.org the way it is. Even when the multiple wiki changes began, the intention was never that our community would change into in multi-nas community from buffalo/melco oriented.

So, new guys would get to keep the new nas-central.org idea. The site would be a multiple manufacturer oriented site, would help point new nas hackings to appropriate sites, and would give new communities a chance to start.

However, by moving to a separate domain, we help keep our individualized community which we still think is needed. Basically, think of it not as "the majority posts say do this", but rather a compromise. Though we're thankful for all our new members, we must not forget about our original members.

EDIT: The reason for moving to a new domain is to resolve that misconception about nas-central.org. nas-central.org current purpose is to give exactly what people want, a central place to search for nas hacking. When I registered the domain originally, this idea did not even exist. Because of the generic name, the idea started and experiments were conducted to implement this. Since we still sat on nas-central.org when the multi manufacturing pages were created, it became confusing, and people started to think we were a "every nas under the sun" hacking community. You'll note that nslu2-linux.org is/will be also listed in nas-central.org, however they will keep nslu2-linux.org to make it clear that they are separate. It is our current intentions to do the same.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts though, it's much appreciated.

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I know this will tick some people off, but let's try to keep the conversation here more focused on alternatives to ltk-united.org. The decision to keep nas-central.org, but to move the buffalo/melco community to a new domain stands. However, the means of what domains we actually use, how we will use SEO domains, if any, has not been officially decided upon. That is the actual intention of this thread, not to bicker about nas-central.org subdomains (that's what the WHAT IS GOING THREAD was for). :)

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I don't see any utility in introducing new domain names, and ltk-united seems a particularly poorly-chosen name. (Sounds like a soccer/football team.)

Of FAR more utility to me than re-working the domain names would be some overview pages covering:

- what the different distros/projects are (openlink, freelink, foonas, etc.), with perhaps *some* history of how they came about, but mostly information for choosing among them;

- what the roadmap and state of development are, for each project

This kind of contextual information would make diving in to the rest of the wiki and forums a lot less painful, I think.

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If there are to be changes why can we not just have nas-central.org/buffalo etc?

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jeffpiazza wrote:
I don't see any utility in introducing new domain names, and ltk-united seems a particularly poorly-chosen name. (Sounds like a soccer/football team.)

Of FAR more utility to me than re-working the domain names would be some overview pages covering:

- what the different distros/projects are (openlink, freelink, foonas, etc.), with perhaps *some* history of how they came about, but mostly information for choosing among them;
- what the roadmap and state of development are, for each project

This kind of contextual information would make diving in to the rest of the wiki and forums a lot less painful, I think.


jepp i completely agree! i don't think you have to split the community just because there are different boxes! organization is much better, just give the page and the wiki a new and clearly arranged structure and no new user will have problems.
also, more links to ONE single domain will optimize search engine results, too... it's always better to push one "brand name" than to introduce several different ones, i believe...
but as i'm not an active member of the nas community and just got the admin's mail pointing to this poll, do whatever you want ;)


edit: @lb_worm: exactly what i meant...


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lb_worm wrote:
If there are to be changes why can we not just have nas-central.org/buffalo etc?

Hi lb_worm, long time no see. :) Here's the reason:
jonli447 wrote:
There were a few issues with doing so. The first issue is that we do not support all buffalo devices (which is our developers right not to), and thus buffalo.nas-central.org would be misleading. Another issue is that we need to be fair to the kurobox end of our community, and they have expressed they wish not to be identified as "buffalo". Finally, it has been brought to our attention, that using a nas-central subdomain submerges our identity, and makes our community appear to be a sub community of a giant superwiki. We want it clear that the buffalo/melco community is separate.


Edit: This edit problem got missed too. :)
jonli447 wrote:
EDIT: The reason for moving to a new domain is to resolve that misconception about nas-central.org. nas-central.org current purpose is to give exactly what people want, a central place to search for nas hacking. When I registered the domain originally, this idea did not even exist. Because of the generic name, the idea started and experiments were conducted to implement this. Since we still sat on nas-central.org when the multi manufacturing pages were created, it became confusing, and people started to think we were a "every nas under the sun" hacking community. You'll note that nslu2-linux.org is/will be also listed in nas-central.org, however they will keep nslu2-linux.org to make it clear that they are separate. It is our current intentions to do the same.
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I know this will tick some people off, but let's try to keep the conversation here more focused on alternatives to ltk-united.org. The decision to keep nas-central.org, but to move the buffalo/melco community to a new domain stands. However, the means of what domains we actually use, how we will use SEO domains, if any, has not been officially decided upon. That is the actual intention of this thread, not to bicker about nas-central.org subdomains (that's what the WHAT IS GOING THREAD was for). :)

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I'm rather baffled with what's going on here, honestly.

I came to the thread, saw the poll show a vast preference for the "No" option, logged in to vote myself and found the thread locked. A few minutes later, the thread was unlocked but the poll had been reset so that my vote is now the only one.

I have to say, I agree with krassonkel, lanceheld, james2m, lb_worm, and most importantly jeffpiazza. ltk-united is a terrible name (and I was going to say it sounded like a football team myself, until I saw jeffpiazza had already said so). It tells you absolutely nothing about the site, and the hyphen just makes it more likely it won't be remembered correctly or will be mistyped.

I throw in another vote for just using linkstation.nas-central.org, kurobox.nas-central.org and terastation.nas-central.org. Subdomains are ideal for what you're trying to do, which is segment a community.

Oh, and btw - having multiple different domains with the same content won't help your SEO, it will push you further down the rankings. Google in particular does not like to find the same content accessible via multiple domains, and if it does so it tends to treat the content as spam.


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As jonli447 said originally "The plan to move from nas-central is definite". The poll is to decide whether to use the ltk-united.org domain name or find a better one. The name of the poll didn't make this clear and a lot of people were probably voting for the wrong thing hence it was renamed and reset. This thread should be purely for suggesting alternative domain names.

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